Jeffrey Epstein; Power, Money, and Secrets

On this episode of Red Lips Real Talk, the hosts discuss Jeffrey Epstein as a case study in how wealth and elite connections can protect powerful people and silence victims, while trying to separate provable facts from speculation. They outline Epstein’s background (Brooklyn birth in 1953, teaching at Dalton School without a degree, move to Bear Stearns, and rise as a “connector” of influential people) and explain how his relationship with Les Wexner—who granted him power of attorney—boosted his status and fortune. They review the 2005 Palm Beach investigation, the controversial 2008 non-prosecution agreement and work-release sentence, the 2019 federal arrest, and the official ruling of suicide amid reported jail protocol failures. The conversation also covers Ghislaine Maxwell’s role and conviction, associations with high-profile figures, Prince Andrew’s civil settlement and withdrawal from royal duties, Dr. Peter Attia’s extensive email mentions, and claims about Trump’s earlier social ties and Mar-a-Lago ban, alongside broader discussion of circulating conspiracies.

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Transcript

You are listening to the Red Lips Real Talk podcast, where we talk about life, love, and everything in between. You already know it's time to get real. 

He was charming, elusive, untouchable. He walked among presidents, royalty, billionaires, a world of power and privilege. But behind the glittering facade, there was a darkness. Most of us could not imagine Jeffrey Epstein. Not just the story of wealth and scandal, but a window into a system built to protect the powerful, silence the victims, and thrive on secrets. 

On today's episode of Red Lips Real Talk, we are pulling back the curtain, separating fact from speculation, exploring the conspiracies, and asking the questions. Many of us are asking and want answers to. So settle in, stay close, and prepare to enter a world where power shields, the guilty and secrets have cost lives. 

Welcome ladies. Welcome, welcome. So this is deep. This is deep. Yes. I have really tried hard to, um, do a lot of research because you know, there's stuff that you see on headlines and on tv. It's overwhelming information. It's, and sometimes people don't wanna like know too much 'cause it's disturbing. It is. I didn't wanna even Yeah. 

Look into it. Honestly, we were, even the three of us were like, should we do this? Yeah. But I think it's important to raise awareness. So I know now more than I wanna know for real, honestly. Because, well, you know, there's rumors, there's conspiracies, and then there's the truth that can be proven and is factual. 

So I think what we're trying to do is try stay as. Factual as possible. Yeah. But we will get into conspiracies and we will get into, what do you think about this? You know, it looks suspicious, but, right. There's so many, it's, there's a lot of overwhelming stuff. But, um, before we get into the files and the headlines, you know, I think we should just start with a basic question, like, who was Jeffrey Epstein? 

Or Better said, who is. Jeffrey Epstein, because some people still think he's alive, right? What do you guys think? You think he's still alive? I don't think so. I don't think. Don't think so. I don't think so either. So here's a little backstory on Jeffrey Epstein. Um, Jeffrey Epstein was an American financier who became internationally known after being charged with sex trafficking of minors. 

But long before the criminal cases made front page news, he has spent decades building a reputation as a mysterious billionaire with very powerful connections. He was born in 1953 in Brooklyn, New York, and he grew up in a middle class family. His dad worked in the New York City Parks Department. I think his mom was a stay-at-home mom. 

But don't hold me to that. I'm not a hundred percent sure. But, um, bottom line, you know, he had a simple, humble. Life. Uh, he attended Cooper Union and then he went to NYU, but he never graduated college. He didn't get a dis a degree, but despite that, he landed a job as a teacher teaching math and physics at Dalton School, one of Manhattan's most prestigious private schools, and he didn't have a teaching degree. 

He got the job. From personal connections. I think it's critical to have our listeners know that, because that is the foundation of who Jeffrey Epstein is. He's a master manipulator. He has the gift of gab, and he's able to coerce people into giving him very powerful things. Like how do you become a teacher without having, with no degree, without having a degree for math and physics, but also he must have been a very brilliant man. 

'cause how do you get away with that if you're not a smart guy, you know? Um, so from there he made a jump to Wall Street and he started working during that Burns and Sterns, the Wolf of Wall Street, eighties yuppies, you know, but he was only there for five years. And in those five years he was rubbing elbows already with very wealthy people, which guess what? 

He started making a lot of money. And then he opened up his own firm. So in five years, he had enough money to leave Burn Stearns and start his own. Which kind of gives me that Bernie ma Madoff feel, right? Um, which you have to be a smart guy, you know, to convince people to give you money. Um, so then he left Burn Stearns, but they really didn't get into specifics as to like why he left, but I'm assuming it's just 'cause he wanted to do his own thing. 

Uh, so now we're gonna jump forward to the early two thousands. Okay? So for 20 years he's been doing this. So he positioned himself as, uh, not just only a financier, but a connector of powerful people. So he's introducing powerful people to other powerful people, and that's kind of how he's started to become powerful himself. 

But what makes this story so striking is the contrast that for years he was accepted in elite spaces and treated as a legitimate financial figure. But then comes the criminal investigations that unfolded the image and the reality collided in a way that shocked the public. And this is how the story truly begins. 

That's a lot. Yep. Yes. I think it's important for our listeners to kind of get a feel of who this man was in his early years, because all you hear about is he's a convicted sexual predator child, you know? Right. But like, how, how did he, this is a guy that came from humble beginnings that didn't really have this type of wealth, and now he's hanging out with, you know, very powerful people, politicians, you know, I think what really took him to like extreme power was when he, um, I know I'm jumping forward here and we'll get into that, but once he convinced, um, the guy from Victoria's Secret to give him power of attorney. 

We'll get into that a little bit later. But yeah, he, he started hanging out now with the royal family, which is kind of crazy. And then when he met Ghislaine. Yeah. 'cause she was also connected, she was also mm-hmm. In powerful families. So what first brought him under investigation? What, what happened that, well, it says here that the first cracks started to appear in 2005, actually here in Florida, in Palm Beach. 

Why does always shit have to go down in Florida? I know, right? Right. Florida's known for the shit. I always make us look bad Florida when I, when I see people on comments going Florida, I'm like, yeah, Florida. Sorry. But yeah, in 2005, um, the parents of a 14-year-old girl went to the Palm Beach Police and told them and reported that she had been paid to be given massages to Epstein in his home as she's 14. 

Wow. Yeah. So as detectives looked deeper, they identified multiple teenage girls who described a similar pattern with payments, recruitments, and in some cases. Even being encouraged to bring other girls with them of similar ages. That's freaking insane. Wow. 14. 14. I remember being 14. I was a baby. Yeah. And I'm sure he was targeting people that come from broken homes. 

I believe that's what they were saying. Yeah. That's a single mom always working. That I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah. You know, but I will say that the police officer, the, like the main detective of this case in 2005, 'cause this was like for three years, that they were investigating him with these allegations. 

He was disgusted with the plea deal. So I'll get into that now. Um, so in 2008, Epstein reached a non prosecution agreement with the US Attorney's Office, and that was led by Alexander Acosta and instead of facing major federal charges. He pleaded guilty in state court to lesser offenses related to the solicitation. 

He served 13 months in a county jail. But ladies buckle up. He had work release privileges. Mm-hmm. So what do I mean by that? Epstein was allowed to have a work release 12 hours a day, six days a week during his 13 months in jail. From molesting? Yeah. 14-year-old. A 14-year-old. Yeah. The deal granted him immunity not only for Epstein, but for some co-conspirators who are unnamed. 

So they have been protected to the full extent of the law. So is that why all those names are redacted? Yes, probably because they're the ones that, I mean, I don't know if it's all of them, but geez, it's, it's really disgusting. That's why it was very hard for me to even wanna do this show, because it's very emotional. 

Like when you really sit down, you and you do a deep dive, like the three of us have, you realize how. How corrupt and dis and how many people are truly in involved in, in this. So here's the sad part. Um, the victims were not informed before the deal was finalized, which was later ruled that it was a violation of the Crimes Victims Rights Act. 

And disagreement is still one of the most controversial plea deals in modern federal criminal history. So how do they let them keep it? If it went against the act, that's because he was granted immunity. And when you're given immunity, that's it. That's why Ghislaine Maxwell, if that's really her, 'cause that don't look like her. 

That's why she wants immunity. Yeah, because he got it. Because he got it. Yeah. Yep. So that's kind of what happened in, in 2008. So I think it's important to also note that yes, there were a lot of people that associated with Epstein, but they associated with him before this conviction. Then there are the people who were in his life after the conviction. 

Right. And I think that those are two very strong distinctions because once you know that this guy is a convicted sexual predator, and you still are like, yeah, you're like, like, uh, the Duchess of York sending him emails like, oh, I'm indebted to you, and yeah, well marry me. It's like, that's disgusting. Yeah. 

That's why she's in hiding. Mm-hmm. Because at the end of the day, how do you, how do you defend that? Right. But then there's people who were hanging out with him a lot, like President Bill Clinton, he was a lot too, and so was Trump, and so was Naomi Campbell and a lot of, a lot of people that were named on the list, and they were like, look, we, we were named on the list, but we didn't really do. 

Well, again, he was a businessman. Yes. A financier. So I could see him having all those connections with all those people. Right. But it's overwhelming. It's like Steven Hawkins, Leonardo DiCaprio, Cameron Diaz. Right. But like you said, at one point, once you know that this is a convicted sexual offender. Yes. 

He pled guilty, right? Yes, he did. He got a deal. Yes, he did. His little time. It's on his record. Mm-hmm. So yeah. Why don't you cut ties if that's not your thing? Right? Yeah. Mm-hmm. But if you're still going to parties and the island and this and that with him, then at that point you can't say, oh, it was just business. 

Right? Yeah, no, I'm sorry. So it looks like he was getting away with it. He got his plea deal. Mm-hmm. He was chilling. But in 2018, investigative reporting brought renewed attention to the original plea deal. And how it was handled, public scrutiny intensified. Then in July, 2019, federal prosecutors in New York arrested Jeffrey Epstein at Teterboro Airport in New Jersey. 

This time, the charges were brought by the US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York. There he was indicted on federal sex trafficking and conspiracy charges. Prosecutors alleged that between 2002 and 2005, Epstein recruited and abused underage girls in both New York and Florida. 

According to court filings, investigators also searched his Manhattan town home and reported finding large amounts of cash, CDs, and other materials. So unlike in 2008, there was no quiet plea deal. This time, he was denied bail after prosecutors argued he was a serious flight risk. Citing his wealth private plane and multiple international properties. 

For the first time it appeared he would face a full federal trial. But that trial never happened. Yeah, it never happened. And why didn't it happen? Maritza? Because he died apparently. He took his life. Apparently he took his life. Okay. So yeah, like if you research it, they, you, if you really do a deep dive mm-hmm. 

They go into like specifics on what happened to his neck and the bone. Like you can, you can really go take this as far as you can, but then you see videos, I hate to say this, but it's TikTok, and then you see videos on TikTok of him walking and. The streets of, uh, where was it? We and New Orleans? No, Israel. 

Israel. Israel. Israel. Yeah. And I'm like, oh man. But see, with ai, I can, I know you cannot because it was the one with, uh, the guy that supposedly saw Ghislaine, Masco Maxwell. But that looked like her too, man. And he said that that was the, he did that for humor. Yeah. That was ai Really? That was all that scary. 

Yeah. You can't trust shit. Yes. But here's the thing I do, I don't believe it was a suicide that I don't believe. I don't believe that neither. I don't believe that. But I do believe he's gone. Believe he's dead. Yeah. Yeah. Because. They collected a lot of things. He knows a lot of things. They're not gonna want him hanging around. 

The person that he was in the, the cell with, I think was some kind of, um, was he a cop? I don't that, I think he had, you know, like a corrupt cop. And I think his charges were like really intense. Mm. So I think the question was like, why would they put him there? 'cause they need Epstein for like a lot of information. 

Yeah. With somebody like that. But I know, I know Marita not saying that he did it. I'm just saying it. I guess it's like who they partnered him up with in the cell. So apparently he took his life, but there were multiple failures in jail protocol apparently. So this is why. Of course the stories don't really match up. 

Match up. He was supposed to be checked on constantly on the special housing unit, yet guards fell asleep and falsified logs, and his cellmate had been removed just before his death, leaving him alone. That's what they say. And third, several of the security cameras outside his cell malfunctioned. How convenient. 

How convenient. And the footage from that night of the death was unusable. And finally, despite all the speculation, the official ruling by the New York City medical examiner was suicide. By hanging. The independent forensic experts have confirmed that the fractures could occur in suicidal hangings and are not definitive of proof of foul play. 

So these are the facts. Strange, unsettling, and yeah, I guess misunderstood. But they tell the story of what really happened inside the Metropolitan Correctional Center that that night. Yeah. It's wild. According to them. According to them. According to them, right? Yeah, because like I said, I don't, I believe he's dead, but yeah. 

That there was a hit on him. Well, I'm not gonna, like, I, yeah, I believe that. I still have a little feeling that, that he's alive. I know. That sounds great. So he's a Tupac. No, I think Tupac is good. They keep saying he's alive too. No, I think Tupac is dead. But I, I don't know. I have a, I have this gut feeling that he's alive. 

But those people would not keep him alive. You don't think so? I don't think so. I don't think so. He knows too much. He knows too much. Yeah. And if, and if shit really hits the fan. Yeah. He's gonna, so you think he was murdered? Maybe? I think so. Murdered. Okay. I don't think that was suicide. But then why is Maxwell still around? 

Well, is she really in jail? But that doesn't look like her, her nose is huge. Again, ai, I mean, I don't know. Yeah. I think they, I don't know. They probably have her more secure unless she's cooperating and they're not saying it. Yeah. Because we have a lot of people, that's why she wants immunity, right? Yeah, exactly. 

Immunity is very powerful. I think they're waiting for this all to like die down. Mm-hmm. And then probably like, okay, she did her time, she's released and they're probably giving her some hope. Yeah. But do you think this can die down though? Not for a while. Not for a long time. Yeah. Neither do I. I mean, are we gonna do anything? 

Is our government gonna get involved? Are they gonna start holding people accountable? If they don't, I don't see any Who's gonna talk about it then? Whoever wants to blackmail somebody else if it comes up. Yeah. But I mean, everything is out there. Yeah. Everything is out there. There's a whole, is everything out there website? 

I dunno. You know, all the conspiracies that people were talking about are. Kind of making sense now. Mm-hmm. So, yeah. Well, it's like we mentioned before with the whole Wayfair thing, and I was like, oh, that's like being dismissive. Like, oh, that's, that's not real. That's, yeah. But then I saw this video on social media and I was like, okay, I'm sorry. 

This is a little too much for me, so I'm gonna play it. I'm, this is not proven right. This is, I wanna make that clear. This is only a suspicion and a conspiracy theory, but holy macaroni. So here it goes. Seafair was selling furniture with the same name as missing girls. For example, in 2019, a 17-year-old girl from Ohio named Samaya went missing. 

Then a few days later, Wayfair listed a Samaya five shelf storage cabinet for almost $13,000. In 2020, a 16-year-old girl from Connecticut named Za went missing, and a few days later, the ZA storage cabinet went up for sale on Wayfair for just under $14,000. May, 2020 from Kansas City. A 14-year-old girl named Annabel goes missing. 

Same storage unit sold on Wayfair. Annabelle with the same selling for just under $11,000. January, 2020. Kyla Coleman, 16-year-old from Cleveland goes missing. You can already guess Wayfair. Same name. This one discounted for 12,000. Everyone always called this a conspiracy theory until now when a receipt from Wayfair was found in the Epstein files. 

Look, we know that Jeffrey Epstein's network has a history with missing girls. Don't forget this picture of JonBenet Ramsey and Ghislaine Maxwell lurking in the background. Back to the seat. Okay, so I remember though. I remember that happened. So he's not behind that. Wayfair was behind that. Totally, because he's dead by that time. 

Wa No, no, no. This, no, this was before. This is before mama. She said 20. 20. Yes, he did. He died in 2019. Right, but these, but this was in the files, the conspiracy theories were before he was even. Yes. Oh, she said posted 2020. That's why I'm like, wait, so who's behind it? So it is just, it's very, because now those things, I hear what you're saying and that's, that's something to ponder on. 

But it, but the, one of the receipts was found in the Epstein files. So, but he's okay. Not then. He respons, I mean, max. Max was arrested. Mm-hmm. She was arrested in 2020. Okay. Not that he's responsible for Wayfair, that that's not what, I don't think what they were saying. No. I'm saying for the first thing, wafer was part of the network. 

Mm-hmm. Of trafficking children. That's what they were saying back then. Well, Wayfair, if I, correct me if I'm wrong, I think Wayfair is kind of like Amazon, where it's just they have all these vendors come in and they sell independently, but they use the Wayfair platform, kind of like Amazon. Right? So Wayfair is the host. 

Right. But Wayfair is not the one that's actually committing the crime. And they have, you know, they're not being found convicted of any wrongdoing. Right. But what I find deeply disturbing is that these same cabinets today are being sold on Wayfair for $139. Right. Okay. Type of cat. And these are all girls that went missing within dates. 

I'm sorry, but that report came from where, like this conspiracy came from where, so the first time I saw it was on TikTok. Right? No, but, and then they're not actual facts, what I'm trying to say. No, but then no, they're, they may not be factual. Right. They were conspiracy theories that Q Anon back then was citing, they were, they were saying, Pizzagate, this, they're using Wayfair to track traffic children. 

They posted pictures of those, uh, cabinets. Cabinets being sold mm-hmm. For that amount of money. This was way back before they released the Epstein files. Okay. So, but now that it's all coming. It's coming circle. They release the files. Oh, look, he's got a Wayfair receipt for a cabinet, so maybe they weren't right. 

Too crazy. Mm-hmm. When they were saying that, that's what we're like, just trying to say like, not that we don't know if it's true or if it's factual or if there's evidence, but there's a receipt. Receipt in the Epstein files and they kept mentioning Pizzagate. Yeah. Pizza, pizza, pizza. And all the emails are like, thanks for the pizza party. 

Right. The pizza was great. Like why, how about emailing the financier? Those, those emails are like about the torture. Yes. Come on. It's, it's deeply, it's sick. I mean, we, we can go in here deep on like baby eating and blood. I mean, the things Roseanne Barr has said is, have you heard what Roseanne Barr? Yes. I heard that. 

She, she, they did an interview. Mm-hmm. Um, I, who was it with? Tucker Cars. Carson. Yeah. And she was saying that they eat. Yeah, she's been, they sacrifice, but see humans and they eat babies. So Roseanne Barr has been saying this for a long time, and people said she's crazy. Jim Carey has been very vocal for many years. 

I don't know if he's said that in particular, but he has said many disturbing things. He's been also like, he's going crazy. And Mel Gibson has been talking about this for a very long time too. He, you know, he didn't direct this movie, but he's been very vocal about it and heavily promoting it. It was the movie, the Sound of Freedom. 

Mm-hmm. In 2023, uh, which centers on the topic of, you know, human trafficking in our children. So Mel Gibson has been in the forefront of this. And you know who else too? Um, mark Wahlberg. Yeah, mark Wahlberg too. So there's a lot of celebrities who are even thinking about starting their own production companies. 

They're trying to steer away from Hollywood because they feel like Hollywood is demonic. Right. And Roseanne Barr really affected me because, you know, she's very loud, she's controversial, she's done a lot of things in her past that maybe has led her to her own downfall, let's be honest. Yeah. Uh, she's made some really crude remarks, but she's never faltered on this comment about them eating children. 

And I remember when Amy Winehouse passed away, I was a huge, huge fan of Amy Winehouse, and I still am. And her death, like, I cried, I cried for days because I just felt like a connection with Amy Winehouse through her music, and she was a tortured soul. Right? And after Amy Winehouse passed away, that celebrity, my goodness, he did, um, the show. 

My God, he did Doogie Hauser when he was a little kid, Neil Patrick Harris. So Neil Patrick Harris had, um, like a Halloween party, but Amy Winehouse had just died. It couldn't have been more than a week. And he had on top of one of the tables at his home where he was having this big celebrity Halloween party, a replica of Amy Winehouse, uh, cake Dead. 

She was dead. With blood and everything and they were eating her. It was a cake, but it was just a reflective of how they do really disturbing things. So there's, so these are the things that Yes. What? Yes. Yes. And I, and I remember seeing that because, and I remember that because was how the, you think that that's the fuck, can you do that? 

Cool. Like, how do you think that that's okay? Like, oh yeah, it'll be fun. He had to issue an apology because somebody that was at the party took a video and pictures and put it on social media and, um, yeah. That's disturbing. Yeah, because she died of alcohol poisoning and she was only like 27 years old and this picture resurfaced. 

And, um, yeah, he had to say that it was in poor taste and that he was really sorry and that he didn't mean anything by it. But these are the type of things that you, who does that? Yeah. That's awful. I never, like, I heard of people sacrificing people, you know, demonic sat Satan worship and all that stuff. 

And I'm just like, I don't know. Like, I never, never believed it. Yeah. Until I was listening to a, a podcast. I couldn't, I couldn't even finish it. Yeah. It was a young girl telling her story of how her parents joined this, I'm gonna call it a cult, right. Because what else would you call that? Right? Demonic cult. 

And her mother made her, they sacrificed a, I think it was a 4-year-old. And her mother made her eat. Mm-hmm. The flesh. Mm-hmm. I was, I was like, okay, I'm done. I can't finish it. Yeah. I never, I believe it's out there. I do. I know. I never believed that. Like I, I know, I know there's evil. There is. And I, and I know that there's people that do evil shit. 

Yeah. But I never believed that someone would actually intentionally kill a child. Yes. To eat them, to sacrifice them and eat them. And Monica, that's what brought me closer to God. Sick. That's what brought me closer to God, create sick people in this world. Because I realized if that type of evil exists, that demonic evil, there has to be a God. 

There has, there has to be goodness that separates us not to get religious, but it's just that, that is what made me say, no, I need to start praying. I need to seek Jesus. I need to seek the Lord. I need to pray because this is outrageous. It's, yeah. So here is the audio of Roseanne Barr. How they eat babies. 

That is not bullshit. It's true. So it's not just the dogs and the cats. Not just the pets. It's not just the dogs and the cats. They're full on vampires and everybody still thinks I'm crazy, but I'm not crazy. They're full on vampires. They love the taste of human flesh and they drink human blood. They do. 

Tucker, stop staring at me like that. You're freaking me out man. Because you spent your life in the entertainment business. So I think you have some authority on this. So many kids that I was in mental institutions with over the years, they are all from those cults and they've covered it all up. They cover it all up and uh, you know, I just pray to God, I'm just gonna pray to God that he opens everybody's eyes in this country. 

So you listen to her speak and Yes. It's outrageous and it's outlandish and it's very easy to dismiss her and say she's crazy. Yeah. Vampires, cults, eating babies. She's nuts. But I don't know anymore. Well, isn't that actress from that she was in, uh, transformers, the first one. Megan Fox. Megan Fox. What about her? 

She, she said, she, she said it. They, she drinks, they drink blood. They drink blood. She said that? Yeah. What did she say? That they drink her, her and her and her machine, machine gun Kelly or whatever. And Kelly, she said that? Yeah. Yeah. Hold on. They, she admitted to that, admitted to that shit. It's something they do. 

They, she didn't say they sacrifice people or whatever, but that, you know, admit to drinking blood. I don't know. She says human. She just said, she said blood. Yeah. Wow. Monica, you are right. Is says here. Yes. Megan Fox has publicly admitted. She and her then fiance, machine Gun Kelly, have drank drops of each other's blood, but she's been clear about what she meant. 

Here's what she actually said on the record. Fox posted on Instagram when they got engaged that yes, we drink each other's blood, which got a lot of attention in interviews with Glamor uk and she reiterated parts of this later in other interviews as well. She explained it wasn't dramatic or like vampire stuff, but that they did like to drink each other's blood. 

Why? I dunno, it's not like vampire stuff. That sounds like vampire stuff. That sounds exactly like va vampire stuff. That's where it all begins between each other and then, right. Yeah. You, if you like the taste. Yeah. And if they break up right, she gonna go somewhere else and get it. That's a vampire. I dunno, man. 

It's, it's just you. Like I said, this is one of the reasons I think why the three of us were a little nervous to do the show because it's just, it's so much, such an overwhelming amount. It's, but you know, just to scale it back. To Jeffrey Epstein. You know, one of the things that I always wondered about is like, okay, he had this humble beginning. 

Yeah, he was doing all these things, but how, how did he get a, a billion dollars? Like, how, how do you get to that point? Because 2 million, 3 million, okay, what? But how do you get to the point where you're like, at a billion? So, I, I did a little deep dive on that, and here's what I found out. So his rise to influence began with his connection to billionaire Les Wexner. 

And if you don't know who Les Wexner is, trust me, you have spent enough money in less Wexner stores to to know who he is. Victoria's Secrets and Bath and Body Works. Okay, so Epstein when was introduced to Wexner in the late 1980s, which is when Victoria's Secrets and Bath and Body Works were like starting to get like the height of their like power and stuff. 

And he quickly became a trusted advisor. And in 1991, Wexner gave Epstein power of attorney over his personal finances, giving him complete control over his investments, real estate, and other major financial decisions. And at the time, Wexner trusted Epstein implicitly believing he was a brilliant financial manager who could simplify the complexities of his. 

Immense wealth, but Epstein's reputation and connections made him appear even more credible due to this relationship with him and granting him such authority, seemed convenient, a decision that would later have serious consequences. Having Wexner one of the richest retail executives in the whole United States and the figure behind Victoria's Secrets as his client boosted Epstein's reputations and standing in elite circles, and even though he had little legitimate financial experience before that, Epstein died with almost $1 billion. 

Hmm. So that's kind of how it began for him. That's how he was able to buy. But he, all the homes that he bought ladies, I mean, he bought homes in New York, in Paris, in New Mexico. He had a freaking ranch. Um, let me, let me see where else, uh, he, us Virgin Islands. I mean, how do you, how do you buy these massive properties? 

But he stole from him. He stole from him. He stole from not just him. He stole from other, oh, other people. Million billionaires, of course, but they never reported it. Okay. Because, but I don't think he of embarrassment, I don't think he stole from them. He, yes, he says, he stole from me that that's what we is saying. 

Don't you think that maybe it was blackmail. This, you gotta gimme this money, or I'm gonna release Oh, it was blackmail Because they never, they never went after him because he never went after them. That. Yeah. Because if you say they let it go, blackmail right there. Let it go. Yeah. Come on. For some, sure. 

But if not amount of money though, there's some people, no, not that amount. Mm-hmm. But there's some rich people that will never admit to being taken advantage of. That's one thing. Not, not to say that they Right. They're not all, you know Yeah. Saints or whatever, but they just, they will not admit to being taken advantage of like that. 

But he did. He, he did. He took from a lot of people, that's how he got money. Mm-hmm. That's what he, that's why he made his, uh, well, Wexner, you know, he says that he was duped, you know, but that he wasn't blackmailed. Um, and he testified in Congress that Epstein was a world-class conman who misled him and abused his trust. 

But he denied ever being aware or involved in any of Epstein's criminal conduct. And Wexner has said he was, um, conned and he was gullible, um, but that he was not blackmailed, but I. As someone who's just using common sense, how can you not sue somebody or go after them in the court of law to try and get, because it's not $10 million. 

We're talking about almost the like 500 million gave power of attorney though. I don't know. He signed, I think he had something on this guy. He so bad he signed it over that he just was like, take the money and leave me alone. It just doesn't, it doesn't add up. But what are you gonna sue for? You gave him permission. 

Yeah. You legally gave him permission to handle your money, how he saw fit. But if you can prove that it was, um. Gr like egregious. It's an egregious thing what he did. You can still win because yes, power of attorney is, is yeah. But if he has something on him, he ain't gonna do it. Right, right. And that's what I'm saying. 

He had to have been blackmailed. Yeah, exactly. I believe that. Like, come on. Not, not to get into Bill Clinton, because Bill Clinton hung out with him before he was convicted. Bill Clinton has not been proven to have done anything wrong. There's suspicions, right? We all have our suspicions, but damn, why did he have in his house in New York, when you open the door, the first thing that you see is a picture of Bill Clinton in a blue dress wearing high heels with his legs crossed, acro across a chair. 

If that's not to tell Ben, bill Clinton, I fucking got you. You're my bitch. Come on. Who does that? Who, who hangs a picture like that in their house? Right. Have you seen that picture? But there's, there's, uh, videos and photos of Bill Clinton in pools with young girls and stuff. So, yes, but, and, and I'm not that he didn't do anything wrong. 

I'm not defending him. It's completely, that's across the shit. I know Monica. Mm-hmm. But he has not been proven yet in the court and through, they're not gonna go after them. They're not gonna go after these high profile people. An ex-president. What, what are they gonna charge him with? Yeah, they're not, they're not. 

They're not. And they're gonna get rid of whoever has information too. Well, you know, who's the thing? The office is Hillary Clinton. 'cause she came out and said, oh, Ghislaine Maxwell. That's how you say her first name. Ghislaine Glanine. Ghislaine Maxwell. Yes. I knew her, but we weren't, you know, we weren't close. 

Mind you, she's like in the front row at her daughter's wedding. Yeah. But you're not close and, and you're not close like you. You know that when you have a wedding, that's probably like one of the most intimate things that you invite people to. It's an honor to be invited to somebody's wedding and to have a good seat also at the wedding. 

And Ghislaine Maxwell and Ghislaine Maxwell is there front and center at Hillary's Chelsea, a wedding. Right? It's just so, so damn corrupt. And I'm not, I'm not trying to say that Bill Clinton is not guilty. It is majorly, majorly suspicious and grotesque in my opinion. But at the end of the day, yet, they haven't really been able to find something to truly say you are guilty of. 

Right? This, which is the same with other powerful people like our current President Trump and Bill Gates, but not Prince Andrew. Bri Andrew? He's fucked. Mm, yeah, he's royally fucked. Royally fucked, but he's, but let's get into Andrew. Well, yeah. Prince Andrew, the Duke of York had a longstanding friendship with Jeffrey Epstein that began in the early 1990s. 

And unlike some of Epstein's other high profile acquaintances, his relationship carried serious legal and public consequences. Epstein's accuser, Virginia Giuffre claimed she was forced to have sexual encounters with Andrew, while a minor, a claim he has denied, but which ultimately led to a civil lawsuit in 2022, the settlement which was reached without Andrew admitting liability. 

Had far reaching effects. He stepped back from all royal duties, lost his royal patronages, and gave up military affiliations. He also resigned from private boards and philanthropy positions, and has largely retreated from public life effectively becoming one of the most isolated senior royals. Well, listen. 

Now, this cannot be proven, but it, it ain't looking good. Now it's undisclosed how much, um, Virginia, uh, Giuffre got, but it is speculated that it was around $16 million and she was paid before the Queen Elizabeth, uh, passed away. And it is. Heavily rumored that the queen was the one that paid it, because Andrew is and always will be her favorite and most beloved child, heavily documented how much she loved him. 

And once the queen passed away, that's when the other family members were like, okay, mom is not here anymore to protect you. We're done with you. And it happened very quickly after the Queen passed away very quickly, they, they cut ties, uh, with him and the Duchess of York. Where is she today? She's missing it is said that she hasn't done any wrongdoing, but is in very poor taste what she has been documented in saying. 

And uh, when he got arrested, it is said that she went to, uh, Dubai and nobody has seen her for over a month. Yeah. So those are, those are rumors that Fergie is missing. That's not rumors that, not that, that she paid the royal fer. Yes, that is, that is a he, well, that she got 16 million. It is not confirmed, but it is, it's pre, they're saying that's pretty darn close. 

And that sounds about right. That sounds about right, but they said that the money came from the queen. This is the same lady who wrote a book that is now dead and apparently by a bus. Apparently well, took her life. Supposedly she killed herself. Yes. I don't believe it. She supposedly threw herself. Yeah, supposedly another. 

Supposedly, yeah. I don't believe it. I don't believe it. The minute they said that she committed suicide, I was like, bull fucking shit. She killed herself. Yeah. No way. I don't believe that. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to curse, but it's just she didn't, no, I don't believe that either. She was loved by her family. 

She was financially secure to have a fresh start. There's no way. I don't believe that for a second. Then now he's, he's been arrested. He's been released, he's been arrested and released. Released. But he's not off the hook. Where they charging him with? They haven't charged him yet. They're charged. Well, they arrested him. 

They're investigating. No, I'm gonna tell you what, they charged an investigation. I, I'll have to fact check myself now, but when they, when they arrest you, they're charging you with something. Yes. And what they, so what is he being charged with? They, they arrested him. You have to be charged for something. 

Yes. They arrested him for giving away confidential secret data from the Royal, um, family. Family to him. Not anything related to Epstein. That's how they got him. It's like they got Capone on taxes. Right. Okay. They're going that route. So now he was charged with that. Mm-hmm. And so now the investigation begins, and he might be convicted for something completely different. 

Yeah. Just like Al Capone, they got him for taxes. Oh, it says here, prince Andrew was arrested in England, UNSU suspicious of misconduct in public office as part of an ongoing investigation tied to newly released documents connected to the Epstein scandal. So meaning he shared they're finding a loop information. 

He was suppo, he wasn't supposed to. Yeah. So 'cause they can't, they can't charge him for the sexual stuff 'cause it happened here. Oh. But those pictures are disgusting. Oh, I know. Yeah. It's also kind of, it, it makes me think about that guy. Um, he, he, he grosses me out to Dr. Atia Aria. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's wild. 

That's wild. And he's, his name is in there a lot. Well. 1700 times my friends. Yeah. Jesus. There's a big difference when you're named once or twice, but 1700. Okay, so Dr. Peter Attia, is that how you say it? Yeah. I have a little information here if you don't know. Dr. Peter Attia is a physician and a longevity expert, and I personally liked him because he was really in the forefront for women's health and hormone replacement therapy. 

Mm-hmm. And he was always like very like, like he was a man that was looking out for women. So I was like, this guy is cool, as cool as hell, you know? So when I researched on him, I felt really sad, like betrayed, you know? But just to get back to some facts here, again, he worked a lot with metabolic health and preventative me medicine and women's. 

Health. Okay. So he was found to show up more than 1700 times in correspondence and emails with Epstein spanning over several years. And this was after his conviction of being a, a sexual predator. Okay. So according to aia, these communications were personal and professional in nature, and supposedly they focused on science and research, research and the introduction to other contacts. 

And he met Epstein roughly seven or eight times during all of those years. But they were always in New York. It was not on the island, and he was not on the plane. So I think it's also very important to to point that out. Um, right. Some of the emails. That he was exchanging with, um, Epstein were crude, tasteless, but they were jokes, and it's not illegal to be an asshole, right? 

At the end of the day, okay? Aria did say that he was very embarrassed and that some of the things that he said in those emails and correspondences were indefensible. But at the end of the day, ladies, there's no evidence of any wrongdoing. Um, he just made a really, uh, big mistake. Now, I will tell you that some of the things that he said in the emails, maybe some people would say, oh, that's how guys talk to other guys, this locker room talk, right? 

We've heard terminology like that. Mm-hmm. But I think what, because he's a doctor, right? He's a doctor. Doctors are held with a higher, like moral mor morals. Yeah. Okay. And it's an oath that you take, if this would've been a CEO of a sneaker company I've been in like, okay, whatever. But when it's a doctor, especially when he's talking about health and women's health and stuff like that, it was just kind of like, oh dude, really? 

You know? But in the, in one of the emails, he said, the following, so on one of the emails that he received on the subject line, it said, got a fresh shipment, and Epstein responded, me too, with a photo that was also redacted. And AIA responded, please tell me you found that picture online. And he, dirty bastard and Epstein replied, afraid not. 

AIA wrote back that the biggest problem with becoming friends with you is that the life that you lead is so outrageous. And I can't tell anyone. I can't tell a soul. Questionable. Like he didn't know nothing. Now, then he made a crude remark about the woman's anatomy. So there was a few other email exchanges between them both. 

Again, locker room talk, if you wanna word it like that. But he would say things to him. Now, if you have children in the car, you may want to lower the volume, but he would say pussy is indeed low carb. Still awaiting results on the gluten, gluten content. Though. Ha ha ha ha ha. So again, is that illegal? No. 

No. It, it's not. And at the end of the day, it's not illegal to talk to people like this to say things like this, right? But got a, but the consequences, losing your job. Got a fresh shipment today. Yeah. That's questionable. A fresh shipment of what, what exactly. Exactly. Yes. Mm-hmm. And, and your lifestyle. Yeah. 

I can't tell a soul. Right. But he knew about it. Right? Right. Mm-hmm. Right. That tells you he knew about it. Right? Mm-hmm. And he was fired. He was fired from CBS. He was fired from many endorsement deals. So his life is pretty much, for lack of a better word, in shambles and is fucked. So that's just one and we haven't even tapped into yet, uh, with Bill Gates. 

I mean, there's a long list of people who have, who have resigned or have lost their positions because, but I think we should definitely give some time. I know we've been talking about this a lot, but there are certain people that just gave me the ick. Yes. Bill Clinton has given me the ick and so has Trump given me the ick, but not as much as Bill Gates. 

Bill Gates, to me, is just absolutely abhorrent. And it has given me sleepless nights. And I will tell you ladies that, uh, his wife leaving him, I mean, she even said Melinda, right? Melinda French Gates, I believe her full name is. She said that the, from the day that she met Epstein, she was like, I don't ever wanna be him with him again. 

I don't even wanna be in the same room with him again, like from the first day. You know? So, you know how I feel about her. I think she fucking is dirty too. I think she knew something. I don't know. I don't, I don't, I know we've talked about this off the show. I, I don't think Melinda is, I'm not saying she was on the island. 

No. Not saying she was part of the cl. She knew something. She knew something. Yeah. Because that was a lot of years dealing with Epstein. Well, so did Hillary though, even after he was convicted, right? Yeah. And the whole divorce, her and him having a divorce. Getting a divorce, that was more for saving face for the foundation. 

Yeah. Than anything else. I agree. That's what that was for. Mm-hmm. Because the foundation is huge. Right. You know, and they knew that all this shit was coming out and stuff was being said. Yeah. So she had to, but I, but here's the thing, why would Gates. Even associate with Epstein from 2011 and 2014, when this was well after his conviction on being a, a sexual, uh, deviant, pedophile, whatever you wanna call it. 

Like, like you are bill fucking gates. What the fuck are you doing? Mm-hmm. You, you understand what I'm saying? And of course he's like, oh, it was in poor judgment. You know? It was for my philanthropy and for my fundraising. And he knows a lot of wealthy people, but there, there comes a point in time where you have to stop for a second and say, no, money is not what matters. 

I cannot associate with you. Does any of your philanthropy have to do with children? Exactly. Why are you hanging out with a pedophile? Exactly. Yes. There's no excuse. I don't, I'm sorry. Yeah. You're supposed to be taking care of children, right. And whatever, providing things for them and vaccines and help and this and that. 

Yeah. Yeah. And you're hanging out with a pedophile. I don't know. I just, going back to Melinda, I just think that she always knew that he was a creep, that he was a nt. And I just feel like people in those high, like we we're humble women, you know, we're not married to people like that. And these powerful p people in positions do associate with many, many different people. 

Yeah. And she's got her own career, her own life, her children. And they're probably not in each other's lives every day. Like maybe we are with our spouses. Is that fair to say? So perhaps she knew that he had, she was, she knew that he was. Talking to him, but maybe didn't know the extent of it. That's what I'm trying to say, because when she found out that he was so deep into this, she was like, I'm out. 

I'm out. And I have a lot of, but she had to. She had to, but, but Hillary didn't. Yeah. But there, there're different breed. The Clintons, even before this whole Epstein drop stuff, there's shit that has been said about them. Mm-hmm. That is a whole different line of work here. Yeah. You're talking about the gates, they're, they have a lot of philanthropy. 

Yeah. They're buying all these things. Mm-hmm. Vaccinations we didn't even get into, into vaccines. Yeah. Money coming in from all angles and Yeah. That would've, that would've destroyed everything. Right. So she had to, she had to part from that. Yeah. To save the foundation. Yeah. Because she's very involved with the foundation. 

She is heavily, heavily, that's like her baby. Yeah. That's like her baby. Yeah. And, okay, so he was with Epstein because of the foundation and the philanthropy mm-hmm. And all that. Yeah. They're talking about pandemics in 2015. That's true. In the emails they're getting together in Geneva to do conferences and teaching. 

That's true of all this stuff in 2015. I mean, come on. It's just so deep. Yeah. It's so deep. It is. It's, it's, it's, and maybe okay, maybe she didn't know the extent, right. So now she's seeing the emails and she's seeing the conversations and she's seeing who knows what else she's seeing. Yeah. 'cause there's too much for me to go through. 

So I, I, I, I don't have. At time. Yeah. But yeah, now she's like, holy shit, thank God that I cut ties or got divorced because this is sick. Whatever. But she knew that there was, I think she knew something was, she had to have known. I mean, people talk, there's no way that you're involved so heavily in shit and you don't know. 

Mm-hmm. That circle is big. Yeah. Yeah. You know. Well I think that, to be fair, because we've talked about some pretty important names here, we should not dodge a bullet here and we should talk about our current president, which is President Trump. So here is the deep dive that I did. I tried really hard to be like, I fact checked myself three, four times. 

'cause I didn't want to be giving out, uh, wrong information. But here is what can be proven. Okay? So Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump were socially acquainted. In 1990, through the early two thousands, they appeared together in many photos, attended some of the same events, and were known in the Palm Beach and New York social scenes. 

None of that has been denied by Donald Trump. Right at the time, Epstein was already wealthy and well connected, and Trump like many other in those social circles, knew him casually. Now, according to Trump, he cut ties with Epstein long before the 2008 conviction. It is reported that he called Epstein a creep and said that the falling out happened. 

In the earlier years of 2000, putting the end to their friendship somewhere in the early two thousands. Public records and reportings generally support this timeline, though the exact date is not clear. Hence why I have not been able to give you that right now. One concrete example of the split. Does involve a Mar Largo incident. 

Okay, so Epstein was banned from Trump's club after reportedly hiring staff who had worked for Trump and engaging in other actions and allegations of inappropriate behavior. So allegations were reported. At that time, um, it is logged that he was banned from Mar-a-Lago forever. Okay. It is important to note that while Trump had social relationships with Epstein, there is no evidence linking Trump to Epstein's criminal activities. 

Investigations and documents do not show Trump participating in or Solicitating Epstein's abuse network. Their interactions appear to have been social and part of a broader world of wealthy and powerful people in the same room. So in short, Trump did and his relationship with Epstein some years are a little fuzzy, but they did happen before his conviction. 

He did say that this was citing. Per personal and professional disputes with one another, and that the Mar-a-Lago ban serves as a visual and concrete point of separation that Trump says he's very proud of. To be able to say That guy was a creep and I knew it a long time ago. Mm-hmm. So that's. What I've been able to find out that is true, but some dates are a little murky. 

But, um, there is nothing on the flight logs. There are no pictures of him on the island. There are no pictures of him hanging out with him, like buddy buddies. There's couple, like a couple with Melania, like there are a few with Melania, like couples and stuff. But, um, not much more than that. So I do wanna bring that up too because we've talked about Bill Gates, we've talked about Bill Clinton, and I'm not defending Bill Clinton. 

Bill Clinton's a little bit more deeper than Trump himself, but Bill Clinton has not been able, they haven't really been able to prove that he also did anything, uh, illegal. That it wast poor taste. That it was, he went to poor judgment. He went to island. He, but he, yeah. Mm-hmm. But they haven't. And some of the pictures where Bill Clinton has, uh, people sitting on his, on his lap, uh, they're adults. 

It looks like they're children, but they're not. They are adults. This is the same guy who fucked the girl in the Oval Office. Okay? So the guy, he's a horny bastard, you know? But does that mean that he had sex with children? No, it doesn't. Um. But, but it doesn't mean he didn't, but it doesn't mean he didn't. 

I'm not defending any, I am not defending any of these people. I just wanna stick to the facts. To the facts. Yeah. 'cause there are a lot of rumors. So ladies, I think we've tapped into a, a deep dive on, on Epstein, but I don't think, no discussion on just Jeffrey Epstein is complete without really talking a little bit about Ghislaine Maxwell. 

And she was his longtime associate and confidant. She was later convicted of sex trafficking and her role was central in maintaining Epstein's network of influence and secrecy. Public records show she moved within the same circles, the same social circles as ep, Epstein, prince Andrew, and even Sarah Duchess of York. 

But her conviction underscores that her criminal actions. Were personal choices, not reflective of everyone in Epstein's orbit. And even though Epstein's crimes have been devastating to listen to, uh, they also reveal a system that protects very powerful people and silence the voices of many victims. 

Survivors, like we mentioned before, uh, Virginia, uh, Giuffre, she bravely came forward. And that was kind of like the beginning of this kind of unraveling and unfolding. And it is speculated that we're dealing with dozens and dozens of victims. Yeah. And it is absolutely devastating. And, you know, I I, not to keep going back to that AI video, but damn that it makes you think like, 'cause I, I, I saw pictures of Maxwell asking for immunity now, and that didn't look anything like her. 

Monica, her nose is double the size. Her eyes are not, are, are not hooded, and her eyes in real life are hooded. It's just something's off Mo something's off with this, with this woman. So she's not in prison? I don't think so. She's in another island somewhere. But I find it interesting that they only grabbed her because there was a couple people that were helping them. 

I mean, it's not just the two of them doing this whole operation on their own. I'm sure there's people like that. What about that French model they have? There's, um, she was the main, uh, yeah, there's four women that were pretty close in the circle. I'm, I don't even, I'm probably gonna say all their names wrong, but there's a Leslie Groff. 

Adriana Ross. Mm-hmm. Sarah, Callen Vickers, Nadia Kova, I think they all were like, they were not arrested and they were knit and helping gave information that led to, to Ghislaine. Yeah. You know, they probably gave enough information that can, and just imagine all the stuff that we haven't brought up mm-hmm. 

That we don't know yet. That we don't know yet. Yeah. And I think that's why it's important to, and I know, talk about these things. I know raise awareness. We all wanna bring down everyone involved, right? Yeah, yeah. Like everyone wants everyone to get arrested and Yeah. Which, 'cause they know they have information, that would be great. 

But I think the only reason why, 'cause why wouldn't they have released anything when Donald Trump was running for office, right. They had the files. Well that's a good point. How long they could have used it to make sure he didn't win, right? Mm-hmm. But they didn't even. Yeah, because the Biden administration had the files for three years. 

Mm-hmm. They didn't have to go into details and they didn't release it. They could have just said, oh look, his name is here. Yeah. Right. His name and him, they're hanging out there buddy, buddy. They could have done that to, it's just because it's too many powerful people. That's, yeah, and it'll, it'll, like if you really find out everyone, like if you really find out and you deep dive and you find out everyone who's involved, it could collapse the whole system. 

That's, that's what I, that's my thought. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I think is, there's too many higher ups that if everything comes down. Shit will crumble. Yeah. It's just some really sad It is that they're all getting away with it. They are. It is. And it's sad, but I mean, but I, you know what? But we have the freedom to do things like this, talk about it where we can get on a microphone. 

We're just three friends from South Florida who are like, Hey, this is uncomfortable, but let's do it because it's a story that should be heard and never forgotten. And with that, we're gonna end the show. Jeffrey Epstein's story is more than just a scandal. It's a stark reminder of a world where power shields, the guilty secrets are currency, and the voices of the victims are often silenced. 

The flights, the parties, the private islands, the names in the logs, they tell a story of influence and access, but they don't tell the whole truth, and that truth remains hidden just beyond our reach. As we close this episode, remember, it's up to us to look closer, to ask the questions no one else will, and to confront the systems that allow these shadows to thrive. 

We may never know every secret. But we can bear witness, stay vigilant and never turn away from the truth. And with that, 

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